Back to my Roots...

**ProjectD** · 02-23-2010, 12:34 PM

Hello all!
My name is Cyan. I'm from the Tulsa OK area and I haven't owned a celica in almost 10 years. I bought my first car, a red 92 GT liftback when I was 16. (actually my parents bought it for me.

) I owned and modded it for about 3 years then sold it when I joined the lilitary and left for basic training.

I miss the hell out of that car sence it was my introduction to cars and modifications. When I got home from BCT I had a new itch for something turbo and RWD. I've owned an RX7 ever sence.

Anywho, I was fortunate enough to have a CLEAN 5th gen coupe given to me recently. The only big problem is it has no motor. My brother-in-law's wife blew a hole in the block

He then bought a replacement motor for it but he got a 3sge instead of a 5sfe. Of course it wont swap right in so he got frustrated and ditched the car all together. He knew i liked celicas and offered it to me for FREE

So here I am with a motor-less 5th gen and a spare motor for sale. after I get it running I will either use it as my daily or sell it. Right now I have DD a 2000 mirage and the gas mileage is hard to beat.

**subspec** · 02-23-2010, 03:59 PM

3sge is a direct drop in for a 5sfe.

**jons02gts** · 02-23-2010, 04:03 PM

welcome to celispeed "D" there is a swap guide on here that should cover installing the 3s that you currently have into the celi. and i'm sure many others on here will agree with me when I suggest to keeping it, but it is your car, thus your decision.

**ProjectD** · 02-23-2010, 04:03 PM

Thanks for the welcome. That's strange. I was under the impression the tranny from the 5s would not bolt onto the 3s motor? Thanks for the tips guys

**subspec** · 02-23-2010, 04:23 PM

you need to make a hybridish clutch setup. you gotta use the 3s pressure plate and the 5s clutch. this is actualy a treasure throw some low compression pistions and a turbo and some small other things and you have yourself a 3sgte. might be almost as fast as your rx7. depending on the level of modifacations

**subspec** · 02-23-2010, 04:29 PM

check this thread out. it may help ya

all you need to know about engine swaps.

**ProjectD** · 02-23-2010, 05:23 PM

I'm not looking to modify this one, I just need a reliable DD. It would take a LOT of money to get the celica even close to my money pit, oops I mean My FD.

I read through your swap link and everything in it seems to point toward having a manual tranny, My car came with an auto and I'd like to keep it that way.

So i guess my question is: Will my 3sge fit the tranny from my 5sfe? And If so what combo of parts do I need to make it work?

**ProjectD** · 02-23-2010, 05:47 PM

Also wouldn't I need the 3sge harness and ECU? I'de like to get this thing back on the road as quickly as possible and keep my expenses to a minimum

Locker · 02-23-2010, 11:35 PM

welcome back to the family.
I can't be 100% just from looking at the pic but that motor looks like a 3sge out of a 4th gen celica. I would much rather have that motor than the 5sfe is such a fun high revving motor. If I'm right you could pull a harness of a 4th gen at the wreckers and make it work. Otherwise like you said if you it on the road fast just buy a 5sfe and go.

**ProjectD** · 02-24-2010, 02:43 AM

Thanks locker. From what I keep hearing and reading the 3sge is a much better performer than the 5sfe. BuT sense this is just for DD I'm not looking to make any power. The car will stay stock other than maybe a drop in k&n filter.

Do you know how much these motors sell for? I listed it in the fs section for $500 obo. Is this about right or am I screwing myself over?

**subspec** · 02-24-2010, 06:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProjectD

Thanks locker. From what I keep hearing and reading the 3sge is a much better performer than the 5sfe. BuT sense this is just for DD I'm not looking to make any power. The car will stay stock other than maybe a drop in k&n filter.

you got the tunner bug. it wont be long till you want more out of your celica. trust me i know. i got a 02 vw golf and im already talking about putting a intake, cat back exhaust and suspension on it. and thats my dd

Locker · 02-24-2010, 09:32 AM

$500 seems fair for just the motor. Plus you should be able to buy a 5sfe for exactly what you sold that motor for

**ProjectD** · 02-24-2010, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by subspec

you got the tunner bug. it wont be long till you want more out of your celica. trust me i know.

LOL don't jinx me man. but seriously I think I'll be able to resist. All of my extra"car money"goes into finnishing my FD

Quote:

$500 seems fair for just the motor. Plus you should be able to buy a 5sfe for exactly what you sold that motor for

Perfect, thanks

**toyocel** · 02-24-2010, 03:28 PM

too bad u live so far from me i would have gotten that motor off ur hands

**jons02gts** · 02-25-2010, 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProjectD

All of my extra"car money"goes into finnishing my FD

Perfect, thanks

doing a monster FD?

**ProjectD** · 02-25-2010, 11:17 AM

Nah, just building it to be fun on the street and a blast on the track. I'm not really shooting for super high WHP. But the power band should be nice and fat.

**subspec** · 02-26-2010, 11:23 AM

nice im in the process of rebuilding my 91 lol. not anything near what your doing but it should put down some impressive hp numbers

**jons02gts** · 02-26-2010, 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProjectD

Nah, just building it to be fun on the street and a blast on the track. I'm not really shooting for super high WHP. But the power band should be nice and fat.

yeah, my dad had a c5 vette engine and tranny for his, but sold them, so he still has the tired old 12a

**ProjectD** · 03-02-2010, 12:28 PM

I snapped a quick pic of the car this morning. I just towed it to my house the other day.

**ProjectD** · 03-02-2010, 12:31 PM

one more...

02-23-2010, 12:34 PM	#1 (permalink)
ProjectD Location: Oklahoma Posts: 61 Join Date: Feb 2010 Last On: 05-13-2010 08:24 PM Vehicle: 93 Rx7 2nd Vehicle: 5th gen coupe	Back to my Roots... Hello all! My name is Cyan. I'm from the Tulsa OK area and I haven't owned a celica in almost 10 years. I bought my first car, a red 92 GT liftback when I was 16. (actually my parents bought it for me. ) I owned and modded it for about 3 years then sold it when I joined the lilitary and left for basic training. I miss the hell out of that car sence it was my introduction to cars and modifications. When I got home from BCT I had a new itch for something turbo and RWD. I've owned an RX7 ever sence. Anywho, I was fortunate enough to have a CLEAN 5th gen coupe given to me recently. The only big problem is it has no motor. My brother-in-law's wife blew a hole in the block He then bought a replacement motor for it but he got a 3sge instead of a 5sfe. Of course it wont swap right in so he got frustrated and ditched the car all together. He knew i liked celicas and offered it to me for FREE So here I am with a motor-less 5th gen and a spare motor for sale. after I get it running I will either use it as my daily or sell it. Right now I have DD a 2000 mirage and the gas mileage is hard to beat.

02-23-2010, 03:59 PM	#2 (permalink)
subspec angry modder/5th gen guru Location: albuquerque Posts: 7,271 Join Date: Apr 2009 Last On: 12-20-2011 02:57 PM Vehicle: ST184 5SGTE 2nd Vehicle: 02 golf gls	Re: Back to my Roots... 3sge is a direct drop in for a 5sfe. __________________

02-23-2010, 04:03 PM	#3 (permalink)
jons02gts check me out Location: central North Carolina Posts: 3,517 Join Date: Feb 2009 Last On: 02-09-2012 01:16 AM Vehicle: 02 gts blfvfa 2nd Vehicle: 1985 RX-7(rip?)	Re: Back to my Roots... welcome to celispeed "D" there is a swap guide on here that should cover installing the 3s that you currently have into the celi. and i'm sure many others on here will agree with me when I suggest to keeping it, but it is your car, thus your decision. __________________ mods: modified factory airbox, k&n panel filter, removed back seat, stg 2 clutch, c-one style frp high rise wide bulge scoop, pure white driving, highs, and fogs, 6" stubby antenna, filled in rear lp valance black housing head and tail lights, de-badged, adjustable coilovers(2-2.5 drop) after market center mount fog lights. need to do: mount hood diffusers, re-do axle back "keep racing on the track and off the roads" 0-60: top of 2nd gear

02-23-2010, 04:03 PM	#4 (permalink)
ProjectD Location: Oklahoma Posts: 61 Join Date: Feb 2010 Last On: 05-13-2010 08:24 PM Vehicle: 93 Rx7 2nd Vehicle: 5th gen coupe	Re: Back to my Roots... Thanks for the welcome. That's strange. I was under the impression the tranny from the 5s would not bolt onto the 3s motor? Thanks for the tips guys __________________ Last edited by ProjectD : 02-23-2010 at 04:09 PM.

02-23-2010, 04:23 PM	#5 (permalink)
subspec angry modder/5th gen guru Location: albuquerque Posts: 7,271 Join Date: Apr 2009 Last On: 12-20-2011 02:57 PM Vehicle: ST184 5SGTE 2nd Vehicle: 02 golf gls	Re: Back to my Roots... you need to make a hybridish clutch setup. you gotta use the 3s pressure plate and the 5s clutch. this is actualy a treasure throw some low compression pistions and a turbo and some small other things and you have yourself a 3sgte. might be almost as fast as your rx7. depending on the level of modifacations __________________

02-23-2010, 04:29 PM	#6 (permalink)
subspec angry modder/5th gen guru Location: albuquerque Posts: 7,271 Join Date: Apr 2009 Last On: 12-20-2011 02:57 PM Vehicle: ST184 5SGTE 2nd Vehicle: 02 golf gls	Re: Back to my Roots... check this thread out. it may help ya all you need to know about engine swaps. __________________

02-23-2010, 05:23 PM	#7 (permalink)
ProjectD Location: Oklahoma Posts: 61 Join Date: Feb 2010 Last On: 05-13-2010 08:24 PM Vehicle: 93 Rx7 2nd Vehicle: 5th gen coupe	Re: Back to my Roots... I'm not looking to modify this one, I just need a reliable DD. It would take a LOT of money to get the celica even close to my money pit, oops I mean My FD. I read through your swap link and everything in it seems to point toward having a manual tranny, My car came with an auto and I'd like to keep it that way. So i guess my question is: Will my 3sge fit the tranny from my 5sfe? And If so what combo of parts do I need to make it work? __________________

02-23-2010, 05:47 PM	#8 (permalink)
ProjectD Location: Oklahoma Posts: 61 Join Date: Feb 2010 Last On: 05-13-2010 08:24 PM Vehicle: 93 Rx7 2nd Vehicle: 5th gen coupe	Re: Back to my Roots... Also wouldn't I need the 3sge harness and ECU? I'de like to get this thing back on the road as quickly as possible and keep my expenses to a minimum __________________

02-24-2010, 02:43 AM	#10 (permalink)
ProjectD Location: Oklahoma Posts: 61 Join Date: Feb 2010 Last On: 05-13-2010 08:24 PM Vehicle: 93 Rx7 2nd Vehicle: 5th gen coupe	Re: Back to my Roots... Thanks locker. From what I keep hearing and reading the 3sge is a much better performer than the 5sfe. BuT sense this is just for DD I'm not looking to make any power. The car will stay stock other than maybe a drop in k&n filter. Do you know how much these motors sell for? I listed it in the fs section for $500 obo. Is this about right or am I screwing myself over? __________________

02-24-2010, 03:28 PM	#14 (permalink)
toyocel Location: los angeles Posts: 22 Join Date: Jul 2009 Last On: 05-06-2010 01:14 PM Vehicle: 1988 celica	Re: Back to my Roots... too bad u live so far from me i would have gotten that motor off ur hands

02-25-2010, 11:17 AM	#16 (permalink)
ProjectD Location: Oklahoma Posts: 61 Join Date: Feb 2010 Last On: 05-13-2010 08:24 PM Vehicle: 93 Rx7 2nd Vehicle: 5th gen coupe	Re: Back to my Roots... Nah, just building it to be fun on the street and a blast on the track. I'm not really shooting for super high WHP. But the power band should be nice and fat. __________________

02-26-2010, 11:23 AM	#17 (permalink)
subspec angry modder/5th gen guru Location: albuquerque Posts: 7,271 Join Date: Apr 2009 Last On: 12-20-2011 02:57 PM Vehicle: ST184 5SGTE 2nd Vehicle: 02 golf gls	Re: Back to my Roots... nice im in the process of rebuilding my 91 lol. not anything near what your doing but it should put down some impressive hp numbers __________________

03-02-2010, 12:28 PM	#19 (permalink)
ProjectD Location: Oklahoma Posts: 61 Join Date: Feb 2010 Last On: 05-13-2010 08:24 PM Vehicle: 93 Rx7 2nd Vehicle: 5th gen coupe	Re: Back to my Roots... I snapped a quick pic of the car this morning. I just towed it to my house the other day. __________________

03-02-2010, 12:31 PM	#20 (permalink)
ProjectD Location: Oklahoma Posts: 61 Join Date: Feb 2010 Last On: 05-13-2010 08:24 PM Vehicle: 93 Rx7 2nd Vehicle: 5th gen coupe	Re: Back to my Roots... one more... __________________

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