1992 Celica GTS no spark, won't start!

[renoir911]

Hello. I'm a guy who loves Toyotas, especially Celicas and this is why I had bought each of my daughters their own Celica in mint condition a few years ago. One is a 1992 Celica GTS wide body, beautiful black Celica. However it is getting old and we just had the clutch completely replaced. Now it will not start, not even a spark. Motor turns over freely and there appears not to be any other issues. I am told it may be the distributor because this apparently is a problem with these cars after a certain age. Can someone direct me to the proper forum to ask how to get the distributor out and if there may be another problem ?

Also, while checking the fuses in the engine compartment, I came across a smaller fuse box located on the passenger side of the engine at the very front. IT has one fuse missing, the FUEL PMP spot is empty. Toyota was unsure as if there should be a fuse or relay in there. Any ideas ? Someone else told me it may be a fuel pump problem...but I still think because there are no sparks, it has nothing to do with the fuel pump. ???

I look forward to a response or two to repair this problem and get this beautiful car back on the road.

Thanks a million.

R. May
renoir911@yahoo.ca

[subspec]

To ensure its not a fuel pump you can jump the diagnostic's port. And a chiltons manual will tell you how to remove the distributor. Also I would check the coil.. But with the fuel pump to check it there's a diagnostics port on the drivers side right by the firewall. Stick a wire to connect the two lower connectors. But only connect the right side and left side connector with the ignition on. You should beable to hear a psh sound. That's the pressure regulator. And it will tell you if the pumps working.

[McKenzieJr18]

do no change iur distributor..the mechanic is BS. the mechanic i used to take my celi to said that my distributor was gone.. it wasnt it was perfeectly fine. an easir way to check for fuel is take a spark plug out and crank the car.. that will tell u if ur gettin fuel. To check spark.. hold the HT wire with something rubber and put it to the block and look for spark(while someone is crankgin the car). if no spark..check ALL wires that are connected to the coil, ignigter, and distributor. if theres no fuel check for severed lines as the mechanoc who put the engine back in might of severed a fuel line. if u dont have a severed line...like subspec said bridge the fuel pump( it will be FP to B+1, i think)

[subspec]

you cant rule out the disto tho. i would take a look at it. inspect the brushes at least. and its not hard to remove. just two bolts.

[renoir911]

Thank you both for your replies and suggestions.
I will try both suggestions today and let you know what I find.
The Celica is identical to the photo you posted, truly a nice looking sporty car.

Any idea if there should be a relay or fuse located in the smaller fuse box in the engine compartment ? On the cover there is "FUEL PMP" but in the box the relay is missing. Toyota tells me there was never one there! Looking at the connections inside the box where the relay should be, I can see two connections that look very clean and I'm not sure now if there should be a relay or fuse in there for the Fuel pump. It would be one of those larger square relays.
Any ideas ?

Again, thank you so much for your time and advice.

R. May

[subspec]

Io know exactly what your talking about. There a jumper that goes there. At least on mine there is. I've taken it out before and it hasn't done anything. If you want just make your own jumper. Just get a little pice of wire and crimp two flat male terminals to it. And place it in the connector. I think its the top left and bottom right. That the jumper/wire in your case. If you feel uncomfortable with making your own jumper ill pull one from a junkyard for you. Ill even do it for free.

[renoir911]

I can easily make a jumper with two connectors I would solder to a piece of wire. If it does not do anything, my question is why did Toyota create this "jumper" ? Just wondering.
I uploaded a photo of the Celica but can't paste it to this forum.

Thanks.

RM

[renoir911]

You're right, top left and bottom right, remember seeing this. I'll get two male terminals and do this before I do anything else. I'm a stickler for this being done right and engine compartments looking as clean as the car itself LOL.

Wishing you a great day.

RM

[subspec]

I honestly don't know why. Im guessing to cut fuel off. But for some reason it doesn't work on my car lol.

[renoir911]

Just checked for the diagnositc port and I found a small grey plastic box with "diagnostics" on it. Popped it open and found grease on top of all connectors. I just got back here to double check on which oprts to connect with ignition ON. There are numerous ports in there.

Also, where would I find the coil ?
I can't find it.

And when I looked at the distributor connections, I see the 4 spark plug cables exiting the distributor, but no center cable from "coil" to distributor. On older cars this was different. Is this normal ? You're going to laugh at my dumb questions LOL.

Going back to jump these connections and see if I hear that noise you mentioned.

RM

[renoir911]

OK, connecting the two FP to B+ does result in the sound you mention in your previous message.

I cannot find any loose wires or connections.
Can't find the coil to check that.

Your thoughts ?

Thanks so much.
R.May

[subspec]

It sounds like that maybe your problem. Ther is suppose to be a cable coming from the coil to your distro cap. I think to get that cable you may have to buy a wire set. But the good thing is. There not that expensive. I think like 30 to 40 bucks for a bosh set at autozone.. And its never dumb to ask a question. Some people arnt mechanics and some people are. So I won't make fun of you ill just try to help expand your knowlege

[renoir911]

Thanks for your quick responses Sir.

I just quickly did an on line check to try to find out where the ignition coil is located on this car (1992 Celica GTS widebody) and one of the answers on the "All Experts" site says it is located inside the distributor cap ! Another person had already asked that question and that's what they said to that person.

Is this true ?

I don't have my tools here to go any further today (left them on an acreage).
It looks fairly simple getting the distributor cap off and the distributor itself if I don't find any obvious problem with the coil itself.

If the coil is NOT in the distributor, please let me know where I might find it.

Regarding the other question about the relay for the fuel pump! I cross connected it and it made no difference so I'll leave it the way it was.

Again, many thanks.
I owe you already for your time helping me.

R. May

[subspec]

The coil shouldn't be in the cap itself all the coil does is supply energy to the cap. And let me take a look at my car real quick. It should be to the right of the distro by the firewall and to the left of the brake cylender

[McKenzieJr18]

on mine(3sgte) the igniter and coil are to the right of the dis cap.. the distributor has the 4 HT wires coming out of it and there should be another wire right in the middle of the dis cap that connects to the coil.

[dups90gt]

the coil is located under the strut brace on the drivers side, its small , follow the center wire (unless it fell off, although it has a clip to hold it in place)




I think your coil wire came off and that's why your car wont start.
it should be the center wire pointing down on the cap.

[renoir911]

On this car, there is no center wire visible on the distributor cap! I don't even see a wire hanging anywhere. This surprises me because I have never seen a distributor cap without a center wire. On closer inspection there is no hole on the center cap for a wire to fit in, but there is a round metal piece in the middle of the center plastic protrusion. There is no wire going to this center port on the distributor cap!!!!!

I just purchased a Haynes repair manual and it doesn't show a center wire attached to the cap !!

Confused!

R. May

[dups90gt]

This is a 5sfe 2.2 dizzy cap.


Yours should look like that.

do you have a pic? did you find a coil?

[dups90gt]

does it look like this?

[renoir911]

It looks like the bottom larger pic.