car wont start :(

**luca** · 12-21-2005, 10:37 PM

okay so i went out to the mall to do some Christmas shopping and the car will not start. I parked and tehn saw a closer spot so was going to move the car but it would not start. The car cranks no problem but thats all it will do. I can not smell any fuel when i continually crank. Any ideas guys? right now im stuck in richmondhill :(

**Arabian_Knight** · 12-22-2005, 12:35 AM

fuck im nt home...im downtown! Bah I dont know, first guess is the starter

**Pineapple** · 12-22-2005, 12:40 AM

Nop. Fuel or ignition. It crank but won't fire. I just get off the phone with him.

**Pineapple** · 12-22-2005, 05:53 PM

What will blown the EFI fuse? He blown one and when we put in a new one it start to melt too. He does got spark. Maybe no fuel.

**Ratko** · 12-22-2005, 05:55 PM

short circuit somewhere can cause it to keep blowing. i had a similar problem a long time ago on my camry when i mistakenly attached the battery terminals on the wrong sides.

**Pineapple** · 12-22-2005, 05:59 PM

Would a bad fuel pump do that? Don't think its a short cause the second fuse melted half way and stopped. Or whatever shorted got burn off totally.

**Ratko** · 12-22-2005, 06:22 PM

EFI is 15A right? have you tried maybe increasing it slightly to something like 20A?

**Pineapple** · 12-22-2005, 06:36 PM

Didn't try 20A but we put in a third good fuse in and it still won't start and it didn't melt. The second one didn't melt completely, current still flow. We're guessing fuel pump and hoping not the ECU. Freezing in parking lot doesn't help a bit.

**luca** · 12-23-2005, 01:44 AM

ok so yea im really hoping it is just the fuelpump wittch thankfully mike has a spare. That fuse was weird though that it blew and then half melted but the next one is doing fine. Im just hoping its something stupid like the fuelpump sucked in some garbage or something.

**Wiseco** · 12-23-2005, 01:57 AM

If the check engine light comes on, then the computer fuse is ok. Listen for fuel prime-up when you turn the key to run.

**luca** · 12-23-2005, 02:04 AM

the check engine light was off untill we replaced the fuse....also i had my back seats out to try and listen for the fuel pump but still could not hear it which is what is making me lean towards a fuel related issue....there is no smell of gas inside of the cylinders after i cranked it repeatedly.
Ratko just wondering how expensive that problem was for you with all the labour of them finding the problem and then fisxing the wiring?

**Wiseco** · 12-23-2005, 02:36 AM

There is a fuel pump relay and a fuse for it too.. Check them out.

Best thing to do, Grab a wiring diagram. It will show you everything.

**Locker** · 12-23-2005, 11:30 AM

have you check to see if your injector's are fireing? make sure that your injector ground is good that could have freyed away.
Everybody always thinks its their pump that is fucking up which is usually just a false hope. Quickly check it to make sure the pump isn't bunged up with crap but most likely that is not the cause of your problem.

**Pineapple** · 12-24-2005, 02:25 AM

After taken the fuel pump out, connect it directly to battery and find out its running. He put it back checked fuel does come out, reconnect everything and the car started!!! Don't know why maybe the pump got stuck and losen up after direct connection to battery.

12-21-2005, 10:37 PM	#1 (permalink)
luca Location: Toronto Posts: 313 Join Date: May 2005 Last On: 10-04-2008 11:39 AM	car wont start :( okay so i went out to the mall to do some Christmas shopping and the car will not start. I parked and tehn saw a closer spot so was going to move the car but it would not start. The car cranks no problem but thats all it will do. I can not smell any fuel when i continually crank. Any ideas guys? right now im stuck in richmondhill :( __________________ 90 celica gt

12-22-2005, 12:35 AM	#2 (permalink)
Arabian_Knight AK47 Location: Richmond Hill Posts: 3,800 Join Date: May 2005 Last On: 02-09-2008 02:14 AM Vehicle: G35 Coupe 6MT 2nd Vehicle: Swapped 5th gen	fuck im nt home...im downtown! Bah I dont know, first guess is the starter __________________

12-22-2005, 12:40 AM	#3 (permalink)
Pineapple Location: Toronto Posts: 4,296 Join Date: Jan 2004 Last On: Yesterday 06:47 PM	Nop. Fuel or ignition. It crank but won't fire. I just get off the phone with him. __________________ http://photos.yahoo.com/fredericklaw http://members.rankmyride.com/pineapplelaw

12-22-2005, 05:53 PM	#4 (permalink)
Pineapple Location: Toronto Posts: 4,296 Join Date: Jan 2004 Last On: Yesterday 06:47 PM	What will blown the EFI fuse? He blown one and when we put in a new one it start to melt too. He does got spark. Maybe no fuel. __________________ http://photos.yahoo.com/fredericklaw http://members.rankmyride.com/pineapplelaw

12-22-2005, 05:59 PM	#6 (permalink)
Pineapple Location: Toronto Posts: 4,296 Join Date: Jan 2004 Last On: Yesterday 06:47 PM	Would a bad fuel pump do that? Don't think its a short cause the second fuse melted half way and stopped. Or whatever shorted got burn off totally. __________________ http://photos.yahoo.com/fredericklaw http://members.rankmyride.com/pineapplelaw

12-22-2005, 05:55 PM	#5 (permalink)
Ratko it was all a dream Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 9,863,211 Join Date: Oct 2003 Last On: 11-15-2008 01:57 PM Vehicle: 91 MR2 Turbo 2nd Vehicle: 96 Civic Hatch	short circuit somewhere can cause it to keep blowing. i had a similar problem a long time ago on my camry when i mistakenly attached the battery terminals on the wrong sides.

12-22-2005, 06:22 PM	#7 (permalink)
Ratko it was all a dream Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 9,863,211 Join Date: Oct 2003 Last On: 11-15-2008 01:57 PM Vehicle: 91 MR2 Turbo 2nd Vehicle: 96 Civic Hatch	EFI is 15A right? have you tried maybe increasing it slightly to something like 20A?

12-22-2005, 06:36 PM	#8 (permalink)
Pineapple Location: Toronto Posts: 4,296 Join Date: Jan 2004 Last On: Yesterday 06:47 PM	Didn't try 20A but we put in a third good fuse in and it still won't start and it didn't melt. The second one didn't melt completely, current still flow. We're guessing fuel pump and hoping not the ECU. Freezing in parking lot doesn't help a bit. __________________ http://photos.yahoo.com/fredericklaw http://members.rankmyride.com/pineapplelaw

12-23-2005, 01:44 AM	#9 (permalink)
luca Location: Toronto Posts: 313 Join Date: May 2005 Last On: 10-04-2008 11:39 AM	ok so yea im really hoping it is just the fuelpump wittch thankfully mike has a spare. That fuse was weird though that it blew and then half melted but the next one is doing fine. Im just hoping its something stupid like the fuelpump sucked in some garbage or something. __________________ 90 celica gt

12-23-2005, 01:57 AM	#10 (permalink)
Wiseco Posts: 226 Join Date: Nov 2005 Last On: 11-24-2008 02:04 PM	If the check engine light comes on, then the computer fuse is ok. Listen for fuel prime-up when you turn the key to run.

12-23-2005, 02:04 AM	#11 (permalink)
luca Location: Toronto Posts: 313 Join Date: May 2005 Last On: 10-04-2008 11:39 AM	the check engine light was off untill we replaced the fuse....also i had my back seats out to try and listen for the fuel pump but still could not hear it which is what is making me lean towards a fuel related issue....there is no smell of gas inside of the cylinders after i cranked it repeatedly. Ratko just wondering how expensive that problem was for you with all the labour of them finding the problem and then fisxing the wiring? __________________ 90 celica gt

12-23-2005, 02:36 AM	#12 (permalink)
Wiseco Posts: 226 Join Date: Nov 2005 Last On: 11-24-2008 02:04 PM	There is a fuel pump relay and a fuse for it too.. Check them out. Best thing to do, Grab a wiring diagram. It will show you everything.

12-24-2005, 02:25 AM	#14 (permalink)
Pineapple Location: Toronto Posts: 4,296 Join Date: Jan 2004 Last On: Yesterday 06:47 PM	After taken the fuel pump out, connect it directly to battery and find out its running. He put it back checked fuel does come out, reconnect everything and the car started!!! Don't know why maybe the pump got stuck and losen up after direct connection to battery. __________________ http://photos.yahoo.com/fredericklaw http://members.rankmyride.com/pineapplelaw

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