first toy for the Frontier

**hedgehog** · 02-02-2007, 07:01 PM

good luck with that thing. cant say it wont last , but ...

my warn has done me no wrong so far.

**Coolieboi** · 02-02-2007, 07:52 PM

Seeing that really makes me want to go to princess auto now....

**Pineapple** · 02-02-2007, 08:10 PM

Who's leg you gonna pull?

**Burrcold** · 02-02-2007, 08:31 PM

Yeah what are you planning on haulin' around?

**Locker** · 02-02-2007, 10:37 PM

Just did some reading and not really sure if Im going to keep it. it was on sale and logic told me a 5000lbs winch would pull my truck out of some shit if I got stuck. After doing some reading I need around a 9000lbs winch to be able to pull my truck out.
If i use this thing called a snatch block it'll almost work but now I have to decide if Im going to keep it or not now.

**hedgehog** · 02-02-2007, 10:42 PM

dont rely on a snatch block. your reducing the length of your winch by half when using one. also 5000lbs winch is way to small for your truck. iv got a 2500lbs on my 700lbs quad and it can bog down so much it comes close to stopping when stuck in deep mud

**hl2k3** · 02-03-2007, 02:15 PM

wonder how big of one I'd need for the 4runner...

**Locker** · 02-03-2007, 05:40 PM

probably around the same as the frontier around 9500lbs. Costco has em for 500

**MartinGouda** · 02-03-2007, 08:19 PM

return and rebuy bigger... but this is much better than an intake and exhaust

**hedgehog** · 02-03-2007, 09:58 PM

if you can scratch the $$ together , get synthetic rope. very cool stuff, and it wont take your head off when it snaps

**MartinGouda** · 02-03-2007, 10:32 PM

neither will the cables, watch mythbusters...

**hedgehog** · 02-03-2007, 11:14 PM

bullshit why do the manufacturing company's tell you to hang a jacket/blanket on the cable if it snaps. i knew a guy that was almost killed on the great lakes due to a guy wire snapping on bulk carrier . same type of cable, same type of loading.

not a great example but

Safety Digest - August/2005 - Accident Alley

**MartinGouda** · 02-04-2007, 04:46 AM

sorry, glass is brittle, people and animals are not, punch or tap glass it breaks punch or tap me i don't

tests have been done to create those situations and nothing has happened and if you are pulling a load and the cable snaps with out being pulled around pullies of any sort usualy it simply drops to the ground.

want proof, take a rope over a cm thick with very little elasticity, tie the rope to a door or something, pull it as hard as you like and let go, did your end hit the door? did it just fall? do you really want to take me on with this argument when i can send you math proving that for a cable that thick to chop a person in half it would have to move at mach speeds and break the sound barrier to even create a mark on a human? do you really think that if a weed whacker with a cable diameter of about a mm and a surface area of an inch with a string 1 foot long is moving at 11600 rpm (what mine actually does) then when it hits you it would be moving about 417.477273 miles per hour or roughly 671.864544 kmph and it still can't do much more than break a few layers of skin at best. with less dispersion of force and less weight to move while also incorporating a larger centrifugal force that will keep it straight isn't stead of doing what anything linear does when propelled at a stopper in a matter such as this. which is wrap around it. also this example uses a constant power source, not stored kinetic energy created by tension and released by the line giving way.

when you properly crack a whip the sound it makes it the tip of the whip breaking the speed barrier and creating a small yet audible sonic boom. this means that the tip is moving at a rate greater than 1 225.044 kmph. do you think a cable with the weight you are dealing with has that kinda power that it would move at that rate? have you any idea how much it would take to move something that heavy and solid and dence and non elastic that fast?

simple physics will tell you how much mass a cable like that has and how much speed it would take to create a snap that would sever anything.. have a look at the mythbusters episode then talk shit, until you are versed in the subject matter and semi-scientific studies involved why bother trying to call bullshit on me

there are alot of things that we are told not to do that won't kill you unless other factors fail. they are called FAIL SAFES, other companies often use bullshit to make people do things properly and also to ensure that they have covered their asses incase in some incredible case someone tightens a rope suddenly with enough force to create a snap which would amount to that kinda force.

but it's as unlikely as someone losing their head while operating a winch on a truck properly

could you make it happen?... sure...

would it happen?... no....

**Locker** · 02-04-2007, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MartinGouda

return and rebuy bigger... but this is much better than an intake and exhaust

There are somethings we will never agree on. I love the idea of a winch but I will have intake and exhaust as well

**MartinGouda** · 02-04-2007, 09:31 PM

i'll still love you mike...

psssst

FOCUS!!!

02-02-2007, 07:01 PM	#2 (permalink)
hedgehog Location: East GTA Posts: 122 Join Date: Aug 2006 Last On: 04-27-2008 06:35 AM Vehicle: 05 4Runner 2nd Vehicle: 91 Celica Gts	Re: first toy for the Frontier good luck with that thing. cant say it wont last , but ... my warn has done me no wrong so far.

02-02-2007, 07:52 PM	#3 (permalink)
Coolieboi Location: Sarsborough Posts: 388 Join Date: Sep 2005 Last On: 11-08-2008 02:31 PM Vehicle: EG	Re: first toy for the Frontier Seeing that really makes me want to go to princess auto now.... __________________ "Speed doesn't kill, Ignorance does."

02-02-2007, 08:10 PM	#4 (permalink)
Pineapple Location: Toronto Posts: 4,282 Join Date: Jan 2004 Last On: Yesterday 01:05 AM	Re: first toy for the Frontier Who's leg you gonna pull? __________________ http://photos.yahoo.com/fredericklaw http://members.rankmyride.com/pineapplelaw

02-02-2007, 08:31 PM	#5 (permalink)
Burrcold Location: Toronto Posts: 6,419 Join Date: Oct 2003 Last On: Today 12:00 AM Vehicle: 08 Lexus IS250 2nd Vehicle: 08 Acura CSX	Re: first toy for the Frontier Yeah what are you planning on haulin' around? __________________ Sold: 2004 Infiniti G35C

02-02-2007, 10:42 PM	#7 (permalink)
hedgehog Location: East GTA Posts: 122 Join Date: Aug 2006 Last On: 04-27-2008 06:35 AM Vehicle: 05 4Runner 2nd Vehicle: 91 Celica Gts	Re: first toy for the Frontier dont rely on a snatch block. your reducing the length of your winch by half when using one. also 5000lbs winch is way to small for your truck. iv got a 2500lbs on my 700lbs quad and it can bog down so much it comes close to stopping when stuck in deep mud

02-03-2007, 02:15 PM	#8 (permalink)
hl2k3 Resident Man Whore Location: Halton, Ontario Posts: 1,491 Join Date: Jan 2006 Last On: Today 04:28 AM Vehicle: 08 Golf 2L 2nd Vehicle: 90CeliGT(unfit)	Re: first toy for the Frontier wonder how big of one I'd need for the 4runner... __________________ HL2k 2008 VW City Golf 1994 VW Golf GL 1990 Toyota Celica GT - Unfit

02-03-2007, 08:19 PM	#10 (permalink)
MartinGouda USE THE SEARCH FEATURE!!! Location: Streetsville Posts: 12,023 Join Date: Oct 2003 Last On: 06-02-2008 02:41 PM Vehicle: DelsolTurboN2O 2nd Vehicle: Talon TSI AWD	Re: first toy for the Frontier return and rebuy bigger... but this is much better than an intake and exhaust __________________ www.martingouda.com.... the rumors are all true...

02-03-2007, 09:58 PM	#11 (permalink)
hedgehog Location: East GTA Posts: 122 Join Date: Aug 2006 Last On: 04-27-2008 06:35 AM Vehicle: 05 4Runner 2nd Vehicle: 91 Celica Gts	Re: first toy for the Frontier if you can scratch the $$ together , get synthetic rope. very cool stuff, and it wont take your head off when it snaps

02-03-2007, 10:32 PM	#12 (permalink)
MartinGouda USE THE SEARCH FEATURE!!! Location: Streetsville Posts: 12,023 Join Date: Oct 2003 Last On: 06-02-2008 02:41 PM Vehicle: DelsolTurboN2O 2nd Vehicle: Talon TSI AWD	Re: first toy for the Frontier neither will the cables, watch mythbusters... __________________ www.martingouda.com.... the rumors are all true...

02-03-2007, 11:14 PM	#13 (permalink)
hedgehog Location: East GTA Posts: 122 Join Date: Aug 2006 Last On: 04-27-2008 06:35 AM Vehicle: 05 4Runner 2nd Vehicle: 91 Celica Gts	Re: first toy for the Frontier bullshit why do the manufacturing company's tell you to hang a jacket/blanket on the cable if it snaps. i knew a guy that was almost killed on the great lakes due to a guy wire snapping on bulk carrier . same type of cable, same type of loading. not a great example but Safety Digest - August/2005 - Accident Alley

02-04-2007, 04:46 AM	#14 (permalink)
MartinGouda USE THE SEARCH FEATURE!!! Location: Streetsville Posts: 12,023 Join Date: Oct 2003 Last On: 06-02-2008 02:41 PM Vehicle: DelsolTurboN2O 2nd Vehicle: Talon TSI AWD	Re: first toy for the Frontier sorry, glass is brittle, people and animals are not, punch or tap glass it breaks punch or tap me i don't tests have been done to create those situations and nothing has happened and if you are pulling a load and the cable snaps with out being pulled around pullies of any sort usualy it simply drops to the ground. want proof, take a rope over a cm thick with very little elasticity, tie the rope to a door or something, pull it as hard as you like and let go, did your end hit the door? did it just fall? do you really want to take me on with this argument when i can send you math proving that for a cable that thick to chop a person in half it would have to move at mach speeds and break the sound barrier to even create a mark on a human? do you really think that if a weed whacker with a cable diameter of about a mm and a surface area of an inch with a string 1 foot long is moving at 11600 rpm (what mine actually does) then when it hits you it would be moving about 417.477273 miles per hour or roughly 671.864544 kmph and it still can't do much more than break a few layers of skin at best. with less dispersion of force and less weight to move while also incorporating a larger centrifugal force that will keep it straight isn't stead of doing what anything linear does when propelled at a stopper in a matter such as this. which is wrap around it. also this example uses a constant power source, not stored kinetic energy created by tension and released by the line giving way. when you properly crack a whip the sound it makes it the tip of the whip breaking the speed barrier and creating a small yet audible sonic boom. this means that the tip is moving at a rate greater than 1 225.044 kmph. do you think a cable with the weight you are dealing with has that kinda power that it would move at that rate? have you any idea how much it would take to move something that heavy and solid and dence and non elastic that fast? simple physics will tell you how much mass a cable like that has and how much speed it would take to create a snap that would sever anything.. have a look at the mythbusters episode then talk shit, until you are versed in the subject matter and semi-scientific studies involved why bother trying to call bullshit on me there are alot of things that we are told not to do that won't kill you unless other factors fail. they are called FAIL SAFES, other companies often use bullshit to make people do things properly and also to ensure that they have covered their asses incase in some incredible case someone tightens a rope suddenly with enough force to create a snap which would amount to that kinda force. but it's as unlikely as someone losing their head while operating a winch on a truck properly could you make it happen?... sure... would it happen?... no.... __________________ www.martingouda.com.... the rumors are all true... Last edited by MartinGouda : 02-04-2007 at 04:52 AM.

02-04-2007, 09:31 PM	#16 (permalink)
MartinGouda USE THE SEARCH FEATURE!!! Location: Streetsville Posts: 12,023 Join Date: Oct 2003 Last On: 06-02-2008 02:41 PM Vehicle: DelsolTurboN2O 2nd Vehicle: Talon TSI AWD	Re: first toy for the Frontier i'll still love you mike... psssst FOCUS!!! __________________ www.martingouda.com.... the rumors are all true...

02-02-2007, 06:30 PM	#2 (permalink)
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