push starting and starter?

**1990celicagts** · 10-26-2006, 12:09 PM

Will push starting a car, start the car, even if that starter is no good??

**MartinGouda** · 10-26-2006, 12:26 PM

**Pineapple** · 10-26-2006, 12:33 PM

If starter is the only problem.

**1990celicagts** · 10-26-2006, 12:39 PM

i think it may be the fuel pump!

**CiRiS91GT** · 10-26-2006, 12:42 PM

then it wont work

**1990celicagts** · 10-26-2006, 01:08 PM

it is not the fuel pump since the car doesn't crank!

**MartinGouda** · 10-26-2006, 01:32 PM

colin... don't try to help dale.. he's crazy

**wil_wil2** · 10-26-2006, 01:37 PM

the car has to be a manual.

**Ratko** · 10-26-2006, 01:46 PM

you can start an auto in neutral.

**1990celicagts** · 10-26-2006, 01:52 PM

it is manual!

**Ratko** · 10-26-2006, 02:00 PM

that didn't need to be exclaimed.

**CiRiS91GT** · 10-26-2006, 02:04 PM

here is a tidbit:

go to a mechanic

**wil_wil2** · 10-26-2006, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ratko

you can start an auto in neutral.

No you can't. The torque converter in an automatic doesn't lock up like a clutch does, unless you have a lock-up torque converter but it locks up by tranny pressure, and you need it to be running in order to build up pressure.

**Ratko** · 10-26-2006, 03:15 PM

you just need to get it fast enough to begin locking (wherever the stall point is), no?

**wil_wil2** · 10-26-2006, 03:40 PM

no, the stall point on a torque converter is when it engages, not locks up. You wont find a lock-up converter on small cars, you used to find them on powerful or large vehicles, mainly used in towning applications.
If your torque converter froze internally then you would be able to push start it.

**wil_wil2** · 10-26-2006, 03:45 PM

Actually Ratko you are right, well at least in a sense.
If you managed to push it fast enough so it is rotating faster then the stall, and you managed to to actuate the valve bodies to push fluid pressure forward to actually engage the torque converter fully then it could be done.

10-26-2006, 12:09 PM	#1 (permalink)
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10-26-2006, 12:26 PM	#2 (permalink)
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10-26-2006, 12:33 PM	#3 (permalink)
Pineapple Location: Toronto Posts: 4,282 Join Date: Jan 2004 Last On: Yesterday 01:05 AM	If starter is the only problem. __________________ http://photos.yahoo.com/fredericklaw http://members.rankmyride.com/pineapplelaw

10-26-2006, 12:39 PM	#4 (permalink)
1990celicagts Location: Richmond Hill, Ontario Posts: 703 Join Date: Oct 2003 Last On: Today 11:03 AM	i think it may be the fuel pump! __________________ 1990 TOYOTA Celica GTS - 400,000 KMS

10-26-2006, 12:42 PM	#5 (permalink)
CiRiS91GT Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 1,758 Join Date: Jul 2005 Last On: 06-28-2008 12:23 PM Vehicle: '91 AllTrac 2nd Vehicle: '91 Celica GT	then it wont work __________________ -- 91 Celica GT 89 Suzuki GSX 750

10-26-2006, 01:08 PM	#6 (permalink)
1990celicagts Location: Richmond Hill, Ontario Posts: 703 Join Date: Oct 2003 Last On: Today 11:03 AM	it is not the fuel pump since the car doesn't crank! __________________ 1990 TOYOTA Celica GTS - 400,000 KMS

10-26-2006, 01:32 PM	#7 (permalink)
MartinGouda USE THE SEARCH FEATURE!!! Location: Streetsville Posts: 12,023 Join Date: Oct 2003 Last On: 06-02-2008 02:41 PM Vehicle: DelsolTurboN2O 2nd Vehicle: Talon TSI AWD	colin... don't try to help dale.. he's crazy __________________ www.martingouda.com.... the rumors are all true...

10-26-2006, 01:37 PM	#8 (permalink)
wil_wil2 Location: Borden, Saskatchewan Posts: 764 Join Date: Feb 2006 Last On: 01-27-2007 04:16 PM Vehicle: 1968 C10 2nd Vehicle: 1989 Accord	the car has to be a manual.

10-26-2006, 01:46 PM	#9 (permalink)
Ratko it was all a dream Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 9,863,211 Join Date: Oct 2003 Last On: 11-15-2008 01:57 PM Vehicle: 91 MR2 Turbo 2nd Vehicle: 96 Civic Hatch	you can start an auto in neutral.

10-26-2006, 01:52 PM	#10 (permalink)
1990celicagts Location: Richmond Hill, Ontario Posts: 703 Join Date: Oct 2003 Last On: Today 11:03 AM	it is manual! __________________ 1990 TOYOTA Celica GTS - 400,000 KMS

10-26-2006, 02:00 PM	#11 (permalink)
Ratko it was all a dream Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 9,863,211 Join Date: Oct 2003 Last On: 11-15-2008 01:57 PM Vehicle: 91 MR2 Turbo 2nd Vehicle: 96 Civic Hatch	that didn't need to be exclaimed.

10-26-2006, 02:04 PM	#12 (permalink)
CiRiS91GT Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 1,758 Join Date: Jul 2005 Last On: 06-28-2008 12:23 PM Vehicle: '91 AllTrac 2nd Vehicle: '91 Celica GT	here is a tidbit: go to a mechanic __________________ -- 91 Celica GT 89 Suzuki GSX 750

10-26-2006, 03:15 PM	#14 (permalink)
Ratko it was all a dream Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 9,863,211 Join Date: Oct 2003 Last On: 11-15-2008 01:57 PM Vehicle: 91 MR2 Turbo 2nd Vehicle: 96 Civic Hatch	you just need to get it fast enough to begin locking (wherever the stall point is), no?

10-26-2006, 03:40 PM	#15 (permalink)
wil_wil2 Location: Borden, Saskatchewan Posts: 764 Join Date: Feb 2006 Last On: 01-27-2007 04:16 PM Vehicle: 1968 C10 2nd Vehicle: 1989 Accord	no, the stall point on a torque converter is when it engages, not locks up. You wont find a lock-up converter on small cars, you used to find them on powerful or large vehicles, mainly used in towning applications. If your torque converter froze internally then you would be able to push start it.

10-26-2006, 03:45 PM	#16 (permalink)
wil_wil2 Location: Borden, Saskatchewan Posts: 764 Join Date: Feb 2006 Last On: 01-27-2007 04:16 PM Vehicle: 1968 C10 2nd Vehicle: 1989 Accord	Actually Ratko you are right, well at least in a sense. If you managed to push it fast enough so it is rotating faster then the stall, and you managed to to actuate the valve bodies to push fluid pressure forward to actually engage the torque converter fully then it could be done.

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