94 celica st coupe engine swap

**kontonmizu** · 12-15-2004, 12:23 PM

I have a 94 celica st5 speed and I plan on swaping the engine. What engines can i fit in it? and how much horse will the engines give me? also, how much will it cost? I heard stuff about the MR2 engine but i'm more interested in the V6 camry engine. I assume the V6 is take less effort but i don't know how much it can push on the streets. If you guys can help, it'll be great.

**MartinGouda** · 12-15-2004, 12:29 PM

get a 3sgte...

and you'll be SOOOFAST

**Ratko** · 12-15-2004, 12:41 PM

agreed.

3SGTE is your best option.

check your local japanese engine importer for prices.

**Santi-GTS** · 12-15-2004, 09:47 PM

Heyyy i have almost the same question...
can i swap a V6 from a camry into my 5th gen?? i was looking that V6 and it looks like it's gonna fit perfectly but i am not sure :S

**MartinGouda** · 12-16-2004, 09:48 AM

it will fit but it will be slow and heavy

**Santi-GTS** · 12-16-2004, 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MartinGouda

it will fit but it will be slow and heavy

Really?? :(

How many HP?? i say the one with 4 cams...
well i'll keep the 5S-FE :D

**Pineapple** · 12-16-2004, 10:32 AM

If you get a alum blcok V6, it will not be heavy.
Lots of work to get it in, engine mount, tranny , ECU wiring, axles.....
3S-GTE is still the best swap. Even better is sell the car and buy an AllTrac.

**Ratko** · 12-16-2004, 10:49 AM

The 1MZFE V6 engine (aluminum block) is actually a few pounds lighter than the 3SGTE (iron block) with all the turbo hardware bolted on. So it won't be slow and heavy like people say. It's just people spreading misinformation. I'd say go for it. A few people have done the swap already. And stock for stock, the 1MZFE has a much flatter torque curve than the 3SGTE, which is good if your interested in daily driving or autocross for that matter.

**Pineapple** · 12-16-2004, 10:55 AM

I knew Mr2 guy got all the answers for swap.

**Ratko** · 12-16-2004, 11:05 AM

Theres a guy on toyotanation.com thats successfully done the swap. His name over there is SBCelicaGT if you want more details. I think he has a website too.

**kontonmizu** · 12-16-2004, 11:45 AM

cool, thanks.

How much will the 3sgte be pushing anyways? It's easy to install right? What about the V6? How much power can it push?

**Ratko** · 12-16-2004, 12:03 PM

Depends on what generation you get of either engine. 3rd generation 3SGTE's were only available in japan, and they make 240 BHP. Your common garden variety 3SGTE puts out around 200-210 BHP and torque. Depending on the year of the V6 and the car it came out of, you're looking at anywhere between 190-215 BHP, and usually a tad more torque.

The 3SGTE would be "easier" to install per se, only because you'll have an easier time with the engine mounts and finding drive axles. The V6 swap requires more fabrication which add to the difficulty.

As far as the overall potential of both motors, I'd have to say the 3SGTE has more potential for big output. Not to mention cheaper and easier to achieve more power with it as opposed to the V6. The main thing to keep in mind with the V6, is the practically everything you do to it will be custom, that includes getting more power from the motor.

**MartinGouda** · 12-16-2004, 12:42 PM

to argue for the 6 i must refer you to the yellow mr2 that is goign to be in the next issue of SCC...look into it..

**Locker** · 12-16-2004, 12:59 PM

that issue of SCC just came out and the yellow MR2 won top spot. v6 supercharged mmmmmmm

**MartinGouda** · 12-16-2004, 01:05 PM

that;s what i am talkin bout...

gotta respect the oem for that shit

**Santi-GTS** · 12-18-2004, 12:42 PM

hey guys what do you think about the 3S-GE engine?? i heard that it has 160 hp or something like that

12-15-2004, 12:23 PM	#1 (permalink)
kontonmizu Location: Milwaukee Posts: 3 Join Date: Dec 2004 Last On: 12-16-2004 11:45 AM	94 celica st coupe engine swap I have a 94 celica st5 speed and I plan on swaping the engine. What engines can i fit in it? and how much horse will the engines give me? also, how much will it cost? I heard stuff about the MR2 engine but i'm more interested in the V6 camry engine. I assume the V6 is take less effort but i don't know how much it can push on the streets. If you guys can help, it'll be great.

12-15-2004, 12:29 PM	#2 (permalink)
MartinGouda USE THE SEARCH FEATURE!!! Location: Streetsville Posts: 12,023 Join Date: Oct 2003 Last On: 06-02-2008 01:41 PM Vehicle: DelsolTurboN2O 2nd Vehicle: Talon TSI AWD	get a 3sgte... and you'll be SOOOFAST __________________ www.martingouda.com.... the rumors are all true...

12-15-2004, 09:47 PM	#4 (permalink)
Santi-GTS Location: Florida- USA Posts: 147 Join Date: Aug 2004 Last On: 06-04-2005 03:25 AM	Heyyy i have almost the same question... can i swap a V6 from a camry into my 5th gen?? i was looking that V6 and it looks like it's gonna fit perfectly but i am not sure :S __________________ Santiago // tuning-On.com Toyota Celica GTS 2.2 16V @ 135HP.

12-16-2004, 09:48 AM	#5 (permalink)
MartinGouda USE THE SEARCH FEATURE!!! Location: Streetsville Posts: 12,023 Join Date: Oct 2003 Last On: 06-02-2008 01:41 PM Vehicle: DelsolTurboN2O 2nd Vehicle: Talon TSI AWD	it will fit but it will be slow and heavy __________________ www.martingouda.com.... the rumors are all true...

12-16-2004, 10:32 AM	#7 (permalink)
Pineapple Location: Toronto Posts: 4,250 Join Date: Jan 2004 Last On: Today 05:01 AM	If you get a alum blcok V6, it will not be heavy. Lots of work to get it in, engine mount, tranny , ECU wiring, axles..... 3S-GTE is still the best swap. Even better is sell the car and buy an AllTrac. __________________ http://photos.yahoo.com/fredericklaw http://members.rankmyride.com/pineapplelaw

12-15-2004, 12:41 PM	#3 (permalink)
Ratko it was all a dream Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 9,863,211 Join Date: Oct 2003 Last On: 10-10-2008 03:30 PM Vehicle: 91 MR2 Turbo 2nd Vehicle: 96 Civic Hatch	agreed. 3SGTE is your best option. check your local japanese engine importer for prices.

12-16-2004, 10:49 AM	#8 (permalink)
Ratko it was all a dream Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 9,863,211 Join Date: Oct 2003 Last On: 10-10-2008 03:30 PM Vehicle: 91 MR2 Turbo 2nd Vehicle: 96 Civic Hatch	The 1MZFE V6 engine (aluminum block) is actually a few pounds lighter than the 3SGTE (iron block) with all the turbo hardware bolted on. So it won't be slow and heavy like people say. It's just people spreading misinformation. I'd say go for it. A few people have done the swap already. And stock for stock, the 1MZFE has a much flatter torque curve than the 3SGTE, which is good if your interested in daily driving or autocross for that matter.

12-16-2004, 10:55 AM	#9 (permalink)
Pineapple Location: Toronto Posts: 4,250 Join Date: Jan 2004 Last On: Today 05:01 AM	I knew Mr2 guy got all the answers for swap. __________________ http://photos.yahoo.com/fredericklaw http://members.rankmyride.com/pineapplelaw

12-16-2004, 11:05 AM	#10 (permalink)
Ratko it was all a dream Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 9,863,211 Join Date: Oct 2003 Last On: 10-10-2008 03:30 PM Vehicle: 91 MR2 Turbo 2nd Vehicle: 96 Civic Hatch	Theres a guy on toyotanation.com thats successfully done the swap. His name over there is SBCelicaGT if you want more details. I think he has a website too.

12-16-2004, 11:45 AM	#11 (permalink)
kontonmizu Location: Milwaukee Posts: 3 Join Date: Dec 2004 Last On: 12-16-2004 11:45 AM	cool, thanks. How much will the 3sgte be pushing anyways? It's easy to install right? What about the V6? How much power can it push?

12-16-2004, 12:03 PM	#12 (permalink)
Ratko it was all a dream Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 9,863,211 Join Date: Oct 2003 Last On: 10-10-2008 03:30 PM Vehicle: 91 MR2 Turbo 2nd Vehicle: 96 Civic Hatch	Depends on what generation you get of either engine. 3rd generation 3SGTE's were only available in japan, and they make 240 BHP. Your common garden variety 3SGTE puts out around 200-210 BHP and torque. Depending on the year of the V6 and the car it came out of, you're looking at anywhere between 190-215 BHP, and usually a tad more torque. The 3SGTE would be "easier" to install per se, only because you'll have an easier time with the engine mounts and finding drive axles. The V6 swap requires more fabrication which add to the difficulty. As far as the overall potential of both motors, I'd have to say the 3SGTE has more potential for big output. Not to mention cheaper and easier to achieve more power with it as opposed to the V6. The main thing to keep in mind with the V6, is the practically everything you do to it will be custom, that includes getting more power from the motor.

12-16-2004, 12:42 PM	#13 (permalink)
MartinGouda USE THE SEARCH FEATURE!!! Location: Streetsville Posts: 12,023 Join Date: Oct 2003 Last On: 06-02-2008 01:41 PM Vehicle: DelsolTurboN2O 2nd Vehicle: Talon TSI AWD	to argue for the 6 i must refer you to the yellow mr2 that is goign to be in the next issue of SCC...look into it.. __________________ www.martingouda.com.... the rumors are all true...

12-16-2004, 01:05 PM	#15 (permalink)
MartinGouda USE THE SEARCH FEATURE!!! Location: Streetsville Posts: 12,023 Join Date: Oct 2003 Last On: 06-02-2008 01:41 PM Vehicle: DelsolTurboN2O 2nd Vehicle: Talon TSI AWD	that;s what i am talkin bout... gotta respect the oem for that shit __________________ www.martingouda.com.... the rumors are all true...

12-18-2004, 12:42 PM	#16 (permalink)
Santi-GTS Location: Florida- USA Posts: 147 Join Date: Aug 2004 Last On: 06-04-2005 03:25 AM	hey guys what do you think about the 3S-GE engine?? i heard that it has 160 hp or something like that __________________ Santiago // tuning-On.com Toyota Celica GTS 2.2 16V @ 135HP.