what to do??

**$id17** · 04-19-2010, 03:54 AM

i have a 91 celica gt, and of course it has the 5sfe engine, duh, but i was wondering, since i am on a low budget for now, what are a few things i can do to get a few more hp out of my motor??

**subspec** · 04-19-2010, 03:55 AM

how much do you have to spend?

**~j.wise~** · 04-19-2010, 04:00 AM

a cold air and exhaust is always a cheep way to go. and if you can weld i would make the exhaust your self and just get the muffler by its self.

**$id17** · 04-19-2010, 04:10 AM

i have about $300 to spend right now, i am also trying to save for some rims.

**subspec** · 04-19-2010, 04:12 AM

well you can get a intake, or cat back exhaust for 300. also have to ask you what are your plans for the car. or what would you like to do to your car later down the road. turbo possibly?.

**$id17** · 04-19-2010, 04:15 AM

yea i want to turbo my car using the motor that comes in the gt 4's, i wud turbo this one but i have herd a lot that this motor cant handle a turbo so good, is that true, i dnt know to much about these engines i just recently starting to get into toyotas.

**subspec** · 04-19-2010, 04:18 AM

any motor can handle a turbo. it all depends on how you build it. if you want the motor of a gt4(3sgte) they usualy run anywhere from 1000 to 1500, as for the 5sfe you can turbo it. theres two diffrent methods. you can do a 5sfte. or 5sgte like i am doing. all depends on you and how much time/money you are willing to spend.

5sfte = 5sfe with a turbo
5sgte = 5sfe + 3sgte head + turbo

if you want to throw in a 3sgte, i wouldnt bother modding the 5sfe, cause you would be wasting your money.

btw i have a 91 gt also

**~j.wise~** · 04-19-2010, 04:23 AM

but if i remember correct the headers of a 5sfe and a 3sgte are the same. if so i would get some headers and exhaust. that way if you do end up with a 3sgte you can just swap that over. but im not to sure so "subspec" correct me if im wrong.

**subspec** · 04-19-2010, 04:25 AM

headers yes. they both match, but turbo headers and naturally aspirated headers are completely different,

**~j.wise~** · 04-19-2010, 04:27 AM

o haha ya i compleatly spaced that. oops forget i said that lol
but ya if your getting a 3sgte i wouldnt get any mods for your 5sfe. i would just get the rims your wanting

**subspec** · 04-19-2010, 04:29 AM

if he wants more power now. what i would do is get a cat back, that way he can use it on a 3sgte,5sfte,5sgte

**$id17** · 04-19-2010, 04:29 AM

dang you are very helpful, most def. say i wud keep my 5sfe and turbo it, what wud i need to do so? and around how much am i looking at?

**$id17** · 04-19-2010, 04:31 AM

and where can i find the cat back? i've tried looking but no luck, i knw im probably not looking in the right spots, any suggestions on where to look?

**subspec** · 04-19-2010, 04:33 AM

depends on where you get your parts. id say anywhere from 1500-3000.

you would need
turbo
turbo manifold
wastegate,
wideband 02 sensor
bigger injectors
boost controler (manual boost controlers are cheaper)
turbo down pipe

just to name afew

heres a build of a 5sfte (turbo 5sfe) going on currently.
Sneak Peak - Turbo setup thus far

and heres mine 5sgte
5SGTE build

as for your cat back, personaly i would pick up a muffler goto a shop that can weld and have them weld in a 2.5-3in piping. as for exhaust, pacesetter makes a cat back for our cars, and i belive hks makes one for the alltrac that would fit. check out nopi.com and HKS Hi-Power Exhaust for TOYOTA Celica All Trac 1990-1993 Turbo [HKS-31019-AT009 EDO Performance

**$id17** · 04-19-2010, 04:41 AM

your very inspiring to me lol. i do want to do what ur doing one day, it looks like it can so some damage on the track! which i wud love to do! oh yes one more thing my cluth is starting to go out and was wondering what kind of clutch wud be a awesome replacemet for it?

**subspec** · 04-19-2010, 04:42 AM

for you now i would go with a oem clutch. or possibly a stage one. would you be doing the clutch yourself or paying someone to do it for you?

**$id17** · 04-19-2010, 04:46 AM

one of my family members wud be doing it for me, all i have to do is feed him while he does it lol

**subspec** · 04-19-2010, 04:48 AM

lol not a bad deal ive done that for one of my buddies. one thing to do when doing a clutch yourself. take the flywheel to a machinist shop to have it resurfaced.

**$id17** · 04-19-2010, 04:53 AM

lol yea, yea he handles all of that and thanks for the heads up ill make sure he does that, is there any way to make the 5sfe red line higher than 6000rpm? ive wondered that since ive had it.

**subspec** · 04-19-2010, 04:55 AM

if you got cams redone(web cam regrinds) and got stronger valve springs. you could raise the redline. but usualy at higher RPM the 5sfe falls on its face.

gotta realise to that the 5sfe was designed as a daily driver motor and have alittle zip in town. its not really ment to be a high performance motor

04-19-2010, 03:54 AM	#1 (permalink)
$id17 Location: fontana Posts: 48 Join Date: Apr 2010 Last On: Today 02:21 AM Vehicle: 91 celica gt	what to do?? i have a 91 celica gt, and of course it has the 5sfe engine, duh, but i was wondering, since i am on a low budget for now, what are a few things i can do to get a few more hp out of my motor??

04-19-2010, 03:55 AM	#2 (permalink)
subspec angry modder/5th gen guru Location: albuquerque Posts: 7,271 Join Date: Apr 2009 Last On: 12-20-2011 02:57 PM Vehicle: ST184 5SGTE 2nd Vehicle: 02 golf gls	Re: what to do?? how much do you have to spend? __________________

04-19-2010, 04:00 AM	#3 (permalink)
~j.wise~ The screaming ninja Location: johnday Posts: 215 Join Date: Jan 2010 Last On: 04-21-2011 01:48 PM	Re: what to do?? a cold air and exhaust is always a cheep way to go. and if you can weld i would make the exhaust your self and just get the muffler by its self.

04-19-2010, 04:10 AM	#4 (permalink)
$id17 Location: fontana Posts: 48 Join Date: Apr 2010 Last On: Today 02:21 AM Vehicle: 91 celica gt	Re: what to do?? i have about $300 to spend right now, i am also trying to save for some rims.

04-19-2010, 04:12 AM	#5 (permalink)
subspec angry modder/5th gen guru Location: albuquerque Posts: 7,271 Join Date: Apr 2009 Last On: 12-20-2011 02:57 PM Vehicle: ST184 5SGTE 2nd Vehicle: 02 golf gls	Re: what to do?? well you can get a intake, or cat back exhaust for 300. also have to ask you what are your plans for the car. or what would you like to do to your car later down the road. turbo possibly?. __________________

04-19-2010, 04:15 AM	#6 (permalink)
$id17 Location: fontana Posts: 48 Join Date: Apr 2010 Last On: Today 02:21 AM Vehicle: 91 celica gt	Re: what to do?? yea i want to turbo my car using the motor that comes in the gt 4's, i wud turbo this one but i have herd a lot that this motor cant handle a turbo so good, is that true, i dnt know to much about these engines i just recently starting to get into toyotas.

04-19-2010, 04:18 AM	#7 (permalink)
subspec angry modder/5th gen guru Location: albuquerque Posts: 7,271 Join Date: Apr 2009 Last On: 12-20-2011 02:57 PM Vehicle: ST184 5SGTE 2nd Vehicle: 02 golf gls	Re: what to do?? any motor can handle a turbo. it all depends on how you build it. if you want the motor of a gt4(3sgte) they usualy run anywhere from 1000 to 1500, as for the 5sfe you can turbo it. theres two diffrent methods. you can do a 5sfte. or 5sgte like i am doing. all depends on you and how much time/money you are willing to spend. 5sfte = 5sfe with a turbo 5sgte = 5sfe + 3sgte head + turbo if you want to throw in a 3sgte, i wouldnt bother modding the 5sfe, cause you would be wasting your money. btw i have a 91 gt also __________________

04-19-2010, 04:23 AM	#8 (permalink)
~j.wise~ The screaming ninja Location: johnday Posts: 215 Join Date: Jan 2010 Last On: 04-21-2011 01:48 PM	Re: what to do?? but if i remember correct the headers of a 5sfe and a 3sgte are the same. if so i would get some headers and exhaust. that way if you do end up with a 3sgte you can just swap that over. but im not to sure so "subspec" correct me if im wrong.

04-19-2010, 04:25 AM	#9 (permalink)
subspec angry modder/5th gen guru Location: albuquerque Posts: 7,271 Join Date: Apr 2009 Last On: 12-20-2011 02:57 PM Vehicle: ST184 5SGTE 2nd Vehicle: 02 golf gls	Re: what to do?? headers yes. they both match, but turbo headers and naturally aspirated headers are completely different, __________________

04-19-2010, 04:27 AM	#10 (permalink)
~j.wise~ The screaming ninja Location: johnday Posts: 215 Join Date: Jan 2010 Last On: 04-21-2011 01:48 PM	Re: what to do?? o haha ya i compleatly spaced that. oops forget i said that lol but ya if your getting a 3sgte i wouldnt get any mods for your 5sfe. i would just get the rims your wanting Last edited by ~j.wise~ : 04-19-2010 at 04:30 AM.

04-19-2010, 04:29 AM	#11 (permalink)
subspec angry modder/5th gen guru Location: albuquerque Posts: 7,271 Join Date: Apr 2009 Last On: 12-20-2011 02:57 PM Vehicle: ST184 5SGTE 2nd Vehicle: 02 golf gls	Re: what to do?? if he wants more power now. what i would do is get a cat back, that way he can use it on a 3sgte,5sfte,5sgte __________________

04-19-2010, 04:29 AM	#12 (permalink)
$id17 Location: fontana Posts: 48 Join Date: Apr 2010 Last On: Today 02:21 AM Vehicle: 91 celica gt	Re: what to do?? dang you are very helpful, most def. say i wud keep my 5sfe and turbo it, what wud i need to do so? and around how much am i looking at?

04-19-2010, 04:31 AM	#13 (permalink)
$id17 Location: fontana Posts: 48 Join Date: Apr 2010 Last On: Today 02:21 AM Vehicle: 91 celica gt	Re: what to do?? and where can i find the cat back? i've tried looking but no luck, i knw im probably not looking in the right spots, any suggestions on where to look?

04-19-2010, 04:33 AM	#14 (permalink)
subspec angry modder/5th gen guru Location: albuquerque Posts: 7,271 Join Date: Apr 2009 Last On: 12-20-2011 02:57 PM Vehicle: ST184 5SGTE 2nd Vehicle: 02 golf gls	depends on where you get your parts. id say anywhere from 1500-3000. you would need turbo turbo manifold wastegate, wideband 02 sensor bigger injectors boost controler (manual boost controlers are cheaper) turbo down pipe just to name afew heres a build of a 5sfte (turbo 5sfe) going on currently. Sneak Peak - Turbo setup thus far and heres mine 5sgte 5SGTE build as for your cat back, personaly i would pick up a muffler goto a shop that can weld and have them weld in a 2.5-3in piping. as for exhaust, pacesetter makes a cat back for our cars, and i belive hks makes one for the alltrac that would fit. check out nopi.com and HKS Hi-Power Exhaust for TOYOTA Celica All Trac 1990-1993 Turbo [HKS-31019-AT009 EDO Performance __________________ Last edited by subspec : 04-19-2010 at 04:40 AM.

04-19-2010, 04:41 AM	#15 (permalink)
$id17 Location: fontana Posts: 48 Join Date: Apr 2010 Last On: Today 02:21 AM Vehicle: 91 celica gt	Re: what to do?? your very inspiring to me lol. i do want to do what ur doing one day, it looks like it can so some damage on the track! which i wud love to do! oh yes one more thing my cluth is starting to go out and was wondering what kind of clutch wud be a awesome replacemet for it?

04-19-2010, 04:42 AM	#16 (permalink)
subspec angry modder/5th gen guru Location: albuquerque Posts: 7,271 Join Date: Apr 2009 Last On: 12-20-2011 02:57 PM Vehicle: ST184 5SGTE 2nd Vehicle: 02 golf gls	Re: what to do?? for you now i would go with a oem clutch. or possibly a stage one. would you be doing the clutch yourself or paying someone to do it for you? __________________

04-19-2010, 04:46 AM	#17 (permalink)
$id17 Location: fontana Posts: 48 Join Date: Apr 2010 Last On: Today 02:21 AM Vehicle: 91 celica gt	Re: what to do?? one of my family members wud be doing it for me, all i have to do is feed him while he does it lol

04-19-2010, 04:48 AM	#18 (permalink)
subspec angry modder/5th gen guru Location: albuquerque Posts: 7,271 Join Date: Apr 2009 Last On: 12-20-2011 02:57 PM Vehicle: ST184 5SGTE 2nd Vehicle: 02 golf gls	Re: what to do?? lol not a bad deal ive done that for one of my buddies. one thing to do when doing a clutch yourself. take the flywheel to a machinist shop to have it resurfaced. __________________

04-19-2010, 04:53 AM	#19 (permalink)
$id17 Location: fontana Posts: 48 Join Date: Apr 2010 Last On: Today 02:21 AM Vehicle: 91 celica gt	Re: what to do?? lol yea, yea he handles all of that and thanks for the heads up ill make sure he does that, is there any way to make the 5sfe red line higher than 6000rpm? ive wondered that since ive had it.

04-19-2010, 04:55 AM	#20 (permalink)
subspec angry modder/5th gen guru Location: albuquerque Posts: 7,271 Join Date: Apr 2009 Last On: 12-20-2011 02:57 PM Vehicle: ST184 5SGTE 2nd Vehicle: 02 golf gls	Re: what to do?? if you got cams redone(web cam regrinds) and got stronger valve springs. you could raise the redline. but usualy at higher RPM the 5sfe falls on its face. gotta realise to that the 5sfe was designed as a daily driver motor and have alittle zip in town. its not really ment to be a high performance motor __________________

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