Need a little advice!!!!

**layin rubber 24** · 02-01-2006, 01:05 PM

I just picked up an 1986 toyota celica gt with the 2.0 3s-fe. I have heard and experience myself that it is hard to find things for this motor. I was wondering if I could get a little advice on whether I should keep this motor and attempt to build it or save the money for a swap?? If I could get a little help on this that would be great thanx!!!!

02-01-2006, 01:08 PM

It's hard to find things for the motor, and putting anything into that motor is a waste of time.

Save money for swap.

**layin rubber 24** · 02-01-2006, 01:31 PM

Yea thats what I thought. Do u have any advice on what motor I should find??/ I can get a 3s-ge for about 600 bucks.

**Locker** · 02-01-2006, 02:45 PM

3sge is a great NA motor... At $600 Im guessing that it is out of another 4th gen. You also have the option of getting newer model 3sge that go as high as 210hp or you can simply go with the 3sgte which has 225

**Pineapple** · 02-01-2006, 03:52 PM

You'll need ECU, wiring harness and every sensor under the hood.

**layin rubber 24** · 02-01-2006, 03:56 PM

What years does the newer model 3sge come in and and the 3sgte comes int he the 4th gen gts right?? I want a motor that will have power from the get go and that I can build some pretty good power with!!!

**layin rubber 24** · 02-01-2006, 03:58 PM

Yea the motors I was looking at is at asapmotors.com if u guys are interested in looking!!

**layin rubber 24** · 02-01-2006, 04:00 PM

Is the 3sge a twin cam motor??

02-01-2006, 04:06 PM

3sge is a twin cam, 2.0litre.

3sge came in 4th gen GTS, not 3sgte. The 3sgte came in the ST165 only, in the 4th gen.

3sge or 3sgte would be a good pick, with the most power obviously coming from the 3sgte.

The 3sgte swap will run you $4000-$5000 depending on how much of your own work you do. It may take less, but it's always better to be pessimistic about these....

The 3sge was last found in the US in the 4th gen gts i believe. If you want a newer one, which you should, you'll have to import it most likely.

The 3sgte was last found in the US in 1993, so you may not have to import it, but i would still suggest it.

As Piney said, you'll need all sensors, and the ECU will have to be redone.

**layin rubber 24** · 02-01-2006, 04:12 PM

Yea I would be doing all the work myself and If I had to I can take it to my dads shop. But thanks for the advice. Have U found any turbo kits for the 3sge??

**layin rubber 24** · 02-01-2006, 04:15 PM

I was looking at a another thread and saw that U dont need to swap ecu for a 5sfe swap is that true?? And is that motor worth anyhting??

02-01-2006, 08:54 PM

^ The 5sfe would be a marked improvement over your current motor, but if you want real power, it's a no go. It's 135HP/145lbs stock, with not much aftermarket support. BUT, it isn't REALLY hard to turbo, you just won't be able to push a ton of pressure through it. A "5sfte" is classy, and you'd have something different, and it would feel pretty quick in that light car.

There is no point in getting a turbo kit for a 3sge. Pretty much, a 3sge with a turbo kit is a 3sgte.

So, if you're going to do all the work, then i would go with the 3sgte, and be happy in the sleeper that will result.

As for the ECU thing, not real positive, i haven't looked into it. If i see anything, i'll get back to you.

**Pineapple** · 02-02-2006, 12:19 AM

All the S series are twin cam or DOHC.
The 5S-FE won't give you much improvement, 130HP 140ftlb. Also it'll have the same after market support as the 3S-FE, none. Save your money and do 3S-GTE swap or better look for an AllTrac.
3S-GE may have higher compression then the 3S-GTE, not ideal for FI.

02-01-2006, 01:05 PM	#1 (permalink)
layin rubber 24 Location: minnesota Posts: 14 Join Date: Feb 2006 Last On: 06-09-2006 08:50 PM	Need a little advice!!!! I just picked up an 1986 toyota celica gt with the 2.0 3s-fe. I have heard and experience myself that it is hard to find things for this motor. I was wondering if I could get a little advice on whether I should keep this motor and attempt to build it or save the money for a swap?? If I could get a little help on this that would be great thanx!!!!

02-01-2006, 03:52 PM	#5 (permalink)
Pineapple Location: Toronto Posts: 4,331 Join Date: Jan 2004 Last On: Yesterday 05:25 PM	You'll need ECU, wiring harness and every sensor under the hood. __________________ http://photos.yahoo.com/fredericklaw http://members.rankmyride.com/pineapplelaw

02-02-2006, 12:19 AM	#13 (permalink)
Pineapple Location: Toronto Posts: 4,331 Join Date: Jan 2004 Last On: Yesterday 05:25 PM	All the S series are twin cam or DOHC. The 5S-FE won't give you much improvement, 130HP 140ftlb. Also it'll have the same after market support as the 3S-FE, none. Save your money and do 3S-GTE swap or better look for an AllTrac. 3S-GE may have higher compression then the 3S-GTE, not ideal for FI. __________________ http://photos.yahoo.com/fredericklaw http://members.rankmyride.com/pineapplelaw Last edited by Pineapple : 02-02-2006 at 01:05 AM.

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02-01-2006, 01:08 PM	#2 (permalink)
ciento44 Posts: n/a	It's hard to find things for the motor, and putting anything into that motor is a waste of time. Save money for swap.

02-01-2006, 01:31 PM	#3 (permalink)
layin rubber 24 Location: minnesota Posts: 14 Join Date: Feb 2006 Last On: 06-09-2006 08:50 PM	Yea thats what I thought. Do u have any advice on what motor I should find??/ I can get a 3s-ge for about 600 bucks.

02-01-2006, 03:56 PM	#6 (permalink)
layin rubber 24 Location: minnesota Posts: 14 Join Date: Feb 2006 Last On: 06-09-2006 08:50 PM	What years does the newer model 3sge come in and and the 3sgte comes int he the 4th gen gts right?? I want a motor that will have power from the get go and that I can build some pretty good power with!!!

02-01-2006, 03:58 PM	#7 (permalink)
layin rubber 24 Location: minnesota Posts: 14 Join Date: Feb 2006 Last On: 06-09-2006 08:50 PM	Yea the motors I was looking at is at asapmotors.com if u guys are interested in looking!!

02-01-2006, 04:00 PM	#8 (permalink)
layin rubber 24 Location: minnesota Posts: 14 Join Date: Feb 2006 Last On: 06-09-2006 08:50 PM	Is the 3sge a twin cam motor??

02-01-2006, 04:06 PM	#9 (permalink)
ciento44 Posts: n/a	3sge is a twin cam, 2.0litre. 3sge came in 4th gen GTS, not 3sgte. The 3sgte came in the ST165 only, in the 4th gen. 3sge or 3sgte would be a good pick, with the most power obviously coming from the 3sgte. The 3sgte swap will run you $4000-$5000 depending on how much of your own work you do. It may take less, but it's always better to be pessimistic about these.... The 3sge was last found in the US in the 4th gen gts i believe. If you want a newer one, which you should, you'll have to import it most likely. The 3sgte was last found in the US in 1993, so you may not have to import it, but i would still suggest it. As Piney said, you'll need all sensors, and the ECU will have to be redone.

02-01-2006, 04:12 PM	#10 (permalink)
layin rubber 24 Location: minnesota Posts: 14 Join Date: Feb 2006 Last On: 06-09-2006 08:50 PM	Yea I would be doing all the work myself and If I had to I can take it to my dads shop. But thanks for the advice. Have U found any turbo kits for the 3sge??

02-01-2006, 04:15 PM	#11 (permalink)
layin rubber 24 Location: minnesota Posts: 14 Join Date: Feb 2006 Last On: 06-09-2006 08:50 PM	I was looking at a another thread and saw that U dont need to swap ecu for a 5sfe swap is that true?? And is that motor worth anyhting??

02-01-2006, 08:54 PM	#12 (permalink)
ciento44 Posts: n/a	^ The 5sfe would be a marked improvement over your current motor, but if you want real power, it's a no go. It's 135HP/145lbs stock, with not much aftermarket support. BUT, it isn't REALLY hard to turbo, you just won't be able to push a ton of pressure through it. A "5sfte" is classy, and you'd have something different, and it would feel pretty quick in that light car. There is no point in getting a turbo kit for a 3sge. Pretty much, a 3sge with a turbo kit is a 3sgte. So, if you're going to do all the work, then i would go with the 3sgte, and be happy in the sleeper that will result. As for the ECU thing, not real positive, i haven't looked into it. If i see anything, i'll get back to you.