3sgte FWD??

**keiranmcleod** · 09-23-2005, 03:06 AM

Hey guys, I recently purchased A ST162 FWD 1986 Celica.
It came stock with the 3sge and I feel as though the engines about
to give up on me... and I don't really want to simply get the engine
reconditoned... I thought about seeking performance.
Where I'm getting at is I would like to know if a 3sgte would fit in
and run in an FWD 1986 Celica..and ofcourse the amount of money
I'm up for.
Thanks in advance,
Keiran.

**Rick89GTS** · 09-23-2005, 06:19 AM

Yup, it's a direct bolt-in for the 'S' series engines.
You'd need the wiring harness and ECU for the 3SGTE, of course.

**MartinGouda** · 09-23-2005, 10:27 AM

no...rick is right but he's not giving you the whole story...

you can turbo your motor with a very small pile of parts from an alltrac and save the time a swap will take...

in short, add the T to 3sgTe

all you need is the manifold,turbo,piping,mapsensor,injectors,oil pan and a few other little things.. but it's really a weekend job and only requires hand tools and some brains

**TRDcelicaGT-FOUR** · 09-23-2005, 12:39 PM

3S-GE is the same block, just the few parts differ as Martin said. Either way the GE head with or without the turbo is a fun car to drive, only more fun under boost.

**Rick89GTS** · 09-23-2005, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MartinGouda

...you can turbo your motor with a very small pile of parts from an alltrac and save the time a swap will take...

....all you need is the manifold,turbo,piping,mapsensor,injectors,oil pan and a few other little things.. but it's really a weekend job and only requires hand tools and some brains

That's true Martin but it all depends on his knowledge level. If he isn't aware that the 3SGTE is a direct bolt in for the 3SGE, do you think he'll be able to handle doing a custom turbo set up with used 3SGTE parts bolted onto an old 3SGE that he thinks, "....is about to give out on me..."? Not a good idea.

It might be a weekend job for someone of your skills but for most guys, I think it's gonna take a bit longer.
If it was that easy and cost efficient, you'd see a ton of a ton of custom turbo'd 3SGE's around instead of 3SGTE swaps.

**Pineapple** · 09-23-2005, 05:42 PM

Most are swaping the 3S-FE and 5S-FE.
I believe he'll need intake manifold also.

**MartinGouda** · 09-23-2005, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick89GTS

Quote:

Originally Posted by MartinGouda

...you can turbo your motor with a very small pile of parts from an alltrac and save the time a swap will take...

....all you need is the manifold,turbo,piping,mapsensor,injectors,oil pan and a few other little things.. but it's really a weekend job and only requires hand tools and some brains

That's true Martin but it all depends on his knowledge level. If he isn't aware that the 3SGTE is a direct bolt in for the 3SGE, do you think he'll be able to handle doing a custom turbo set up with used 3SGTE parts bolted onto an old 3SGE that he thinks, "....is about to give out on me..."? Not a good idea.

It might be a weekend job for someone of your skills but for most guys, I think it's gonna take a bit longer.
If it was that easy and cost efficient, you'd see a ton of a ton of custom turbo'd 3SGE's around instead of 3SGTE swaps.

thats a pussy thing to say

how do you know he has no experience or skill?.. i assume that everyone on this board isn't a pussy and i answer with the point of view of WHAT WOULD I DO IN THIER SHOES?... not... WHAT WOULD A CHICKENSHIT DO?

realisticaly unboling the manifold, swaping the injectors and converting a 3sge to a 3sgte is somthing mike (locker) and i could do in a matter of hours.. i would guess about 4... and that's while drinking and smoking excessivly...

a weekend was a generous estimate based on what i know about this person.

and how is this a custom setup?... toyota has every part on the list avalible at the counter and it's documented and avalible in production cars...

as for it about to give on him... what is going to give?.. the lower bearings?... replace them while you have the oil pan off... gaskets leaking? you'll know for sure when you throw 8 psi at it...cat not making a diffrence? leaky exhaust manifold? poor fuel delievery?... all these things could be dealt with based on the turbo setup if you chose to get a full gasket set, injectors (360 or 440s) and there are lots of other things you can rework while you are at it.. for instance the air flow setup, cold air setup

umm yeah.. so all in all what do you think would be harder for him to take on?... a full motor swap or a manifold and hose swap?

**Locker** · 09-23-2005, 09:15 PM

"realisticaly unboling the manifold, swaping the injectors and converting a 3sge to a 3sgte is somthing mike (locker) and i could do in a matter of hours.. i would guess about 4... and that's while drinking and smoking excessivly"

drinking and smoking escessivly at my house????

**keiranmcleod** · 09-23-2005, 10:44 PM

Thanks guys that was real helpful, although like i said my engine is literally fuckd..
So A mate i know can hook me up with a rear cut from a sw20 mr2 3sgte..
this is ideal for my car... rite?

**Rick89GTS** · 09-24-2005, 05:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MartinGouda

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick89GTS

Quote:

Originally Posted by MartinGouda

...you can turbo your motor with a very small pile of parts from an alltrac and save the time a swap will take...

....all you need is the manifold,turbo,piping,mapsensor,injectors,oil pan and a few other little things.. but it's really a weekend job and only requires hand tools and some brains

That's true Martin but it all depends on his knowledge level. If he isn't aware that the 3SGTE is a direct bolt in for the 3SGE, do you think he'll be able to handle doing a custom turbo set up with used 3SGTE parts bolted onto an old 3SGE that he thinks, "....is about to give out on me..."? Not a good idea.

It might be a weekend job for someone of your skills but for most guys, I think it's gonna take a bit longer.
If it was that easy and cost efficient, you'd see a ton of a ton of custom turbo'd 3SGE's around instead of 3SGTE swaps.

thats a pussy thing to say

how do you know he has no experience or skill?.. i assume that everyone on this board isn't a pussy and i answer with the point of view of WHAT WOULD I DO IN THIER SHOES?... not... WHAT WOULD A CHICKENSHIT DO?

realisticaly unboling the manifold, swaping the injectors and converting a 3sge to a 3sgte is somthing mike (locker) and i could do in a matter of hours.. i would guess about 4... and that's while drinking and smoking excessivly...

a weekend was a generous estimate based on what i know about this person.

and how is this a custom setup?... toyota has every part on the list avalible at the counter and it's documented and avalible in production cars...

as for it about to give on him... what is going to give?.. the lower bearings?... replace them while you have the oil pan off... gaskets leaking? you'll know for sure when you throw 8 psi at it...cat not making a diffrence? leaky exhaust manifold? poor fuel delievery?... all these things could be dealt with based on the turbo setup if you chose to get a full gasket set, injectors (360 or 440s) and there are lots of other things you can rework while you are at it.. for instance the air flow setup, cold air setup

umm yeah.. so all in all what do you think would be harder for him to take on?... a full motor swap or a manifold and hose swap?

Hey Martin, CHILL THE FUCK OUT would ya?!

It wasn't a personal attack on you, if that's what you're thinking.

Re-read what I wrote: I said it depends on his skill level - I never said he had no skills or experience. Keiranmcleod says his engine is "literally fucked" He's the owner, so ask him your hypothetical questions but to me, sounds like an old engine that couldn't handle the boost.

I'm not going to refute everything you wrote point for point, I don't have the energy for that and really don't care enough to do it. I'm simply trying to be helpful, you should take that into account that before you start flaming me for what are innocuous and non-personal comments.

**ST162_bajan** · 04-02-2006, 01:55 PM

Hey guys i have the same car as keiranmcleod and but the only problem is that mines is automatic and i want to put it as manual...i need some help as to which gearbox i should use or any subtitutes i can use.

**shotgun88gt** · 05-20-2006, 06:50 AM

well, you probably should find out what is about to give on your engine, like is it overheating? lots of noise? shaking? rattlin' mice making homes in your resevoirs?

find out what's wrong with the motor, find out how much it will cost to replace them, add that to the parts you'll need to make a gste, then pick for yourself what you would feel comfortable doing,

I've never actually done work on a celica, but a little research and a few months later I'm dropping in an engine, although, my engine was fucked, piston rod beyond jacked up and a warped head.

If I coulda just made it a turbo I would have done it, don't worry about not knowing, you'll find the info or someone with the info somewhere, probably here as well.

if you can find those parts cheaper than that engine, do it, save yourself the hassle of getting all kinds of pissed at parts you'll need to take off and fuck with if you had to do a whole swap, believe me, many a swear word has left my garage in the past 2 days.

**shotgun88gt** · 05-20-2006, 06:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ST162_bajan

Hey guys i have the same car as keiranmcleod and but the only problem is that mines is automatic and i want to put it as manual...i need some help as to which gearbox i should use or any subtitutes i can use.

post a new thread for that.

**afief** · 05-05-2007, 12:19 AM

hey i was wondering what exactly what to about the turbo

**afief** · 05-10-2007, 05:57 PM

will the stock tranny fit the3sgteand clearthe starter since its under the manifold and will the ecuwork on it from the 3sge

**chris12psi** · 10-09-2008, 10:18 PM

I just did one in a 89. Dont make the same mistake as me, buy a whole front clip.The fly wheel is different as well the 3sgte is 8 bolt and the 3sfe is a 6. I redrilled mine on a press. I think that the one out of a 92 ls400 will work i came across that after the fact. You need more than just the harness and ecu. You need the afm the whole sensor pack, boost pressure sensor ignitor, coil, and so on. I had my motor for a year before i could find all the sensors on ebay. It cost me about 2500 with motor. But dont be a chump like me buy a clip put nose to nose with yours and start swapping. Or you could just stare @ it for 2 years in your garage like me. It runs awesome now except for i bad ecu that im searching for right now.

09-23-2005, 03:06 AM	#1 (permalink)
keiranmcleod Location: australia Posts: 3 Join Date: Sep 2005 Last On: 09-24-2005 06:45 AM	3sgte FWD?? Hey guys, I recently purchased A ST162 FWD 1986 Celica. It came stock with the 3sge and I feel as though the engines about to give up on me... and I don't really want to simply get the engine reconditoned... I thought about seeking performance. Where I'm getting at is I would like to know if a 3sgte would fit in and run in an FWD 1986 Celica..and ofcourse the amount of money I'm up for. Thanks in advance, Keiran. __________________ 3S Junkie

09-23-2005, 06:19 AM	#2 (permalink)
Rick89GTS Posts: 81 Join Date: Sep 2005 Last On: 01-06-2009 11:18 PM	Yup, it's a direct bolt-in for the 'S' series engines. You'd need the wiring harness and ECU for the 3SGTE, of course. __________________ . 88 ST165...All-Trac http://www.toyotacelicaonline.com/112rick.htm 89GTS...Ol' Faithful http://www.toyotacelicaonline.com/067rick89gts.htm 86GTS...my 3rd Celica http://www.st162.net/forums/viewtopi...040&highlight=

09-23-2005, 10:27 AM	#3 (permalink)
MartinGouda USE THE SEARCH FEATURE!!! Location: Streetsville Posts: 12,028 Join Date: Oct 2003 Last On: 01-02-2009 01:37 PM Vehicle: DelsolTurboN2O 2nd Vehicle: Talon TSI AWD	no...rick is right but he's not giving you the whole story... you can turbo your motor with a very small pile of parts from an alltrac and save the time a swap will take... in short, add the T to 3sgTe all you need is the manifold,turbo,piping,mapsensor,injectors,oil pan and a few other little things.. but it's really a weekend job and only requires hand tools and some brains __________________ www.martingouda.com.... the rumors are all true...

09-23-2005, 12:39 PM	#4 (permalink)
TRDcelicaGT-FOUR Lost in a world of Chaos Location: Mississauga Posts: 1,585 Join Date: Oct 2003 Last On: 02-16-2007 12:53 AM Vehicle: BMW 325i 2nd Vehicle: MB 300D	3S-GE is the same block, just the few parts differ as Martin said. Either way the GE head with or without the turbo is a fun car to drive, only more fun under boost. __________________ When a boy reaches puberty, he says goodbye to his boyhood and looks forward to his adultery.

09-23-2005, 05:42 PM	#6 (permalink)
Pineapple Location: Toronto Posts: 4,331 Join Date: Jan 2004 Last On: Yesterday 05:25 PM	Most are swaping the 3S-FE and 5S-FE. I believe he'll need intake manifold also. __________________ http://photos.yahoo.com/fredericklaw http://members.rankmyride.com/pineapplelaw

09-23-2005, 10:44 PM	#9 (permalink)
keiranmcleod Location: australia Posts: 3 Join Date: Sep 2005 Last On: 09-24-2005 06:45 AM	Thanks guys that was real helpful, although like i said my engine is literally fuckd.. So A mate i know can hook me up with a rear cut from a sw20 mr2 3sgte.. this is ideal for my car... rite? __________________ 3S Junkie

04-02-2006, 01:55 PM	#11 (permalink)
ST162_bajan Location: Barbados Posts: 38 Join Date: Apr 2006 Last On: 11-18-2007 08:23 PM	Hey guys i have the same car as keiranmcleod and but the only problem is that mines is automatic and i want to put it as manual...i need some help as to which gearbox i should use or any subtitutes i can use.

05-20-2006, 06:50 AM	#12 (permalink)
shotgun88gt I ate some bad fruit once Location: Grapevine, Tx Posts: 73 Join Date: Jul 2005 Last On: 06-21-2006 11:42 PM	well, you probably should find out what is about to give on your engine, like is it overheating? lots of noise? shaking? rattlin' mice making homes in your resevoirs? find out what's wrong with the motor, find out how much it will cost to replace them, add that to the parts you'll need to make a gste, then pick for yourself what you would feel comfortable doing, I've never actually done work on a celica, but a little research and a few months later I'm dropping in an engine, although, my engine was fucked, piston rod beyond jacked up and a warped head. If I coulda just made it a turbo I would have done it, don't worry about not knowing, you'll find the info or someone with the info somewhere, probably here as well. if you can find those parts cheaper than that engine, do it, save yourself the hassle of getting all kinds of pissed at parts you'll need to take off and fuck with if you had to do a whole swap, believe me, many a swear word has left my garage in the past 2 days. __________________ Red 88 GT Convertible

05-05-2007, 12:19 AM	#14 (permalink)
afief Location: modesto, ca Posts: 12 Join Date: Mar 2007 Last On: 01-02-2009 11:44 PM	Re: 3sgte FWD?? hey i was wondering what exactly what to about the turbo

05-10-2007, 05:57 PM	#15 (permalink)
afief Location: modesto, ca Posts: 12 Join Date: Mar 2007 Last On: 01-02-2009 11:44 PM	Re: 3sgte FWD?? will the stock tranny fit the3sgteand clearthe starter since its under the manifold and will the ecuwork on it from the 3sge

10-09-2008, 10:18 PM	#16 (permalink)
chris12psi Location: indanapolis Posts: 12 Join Date: Oct 2008 Last On: 11-02-2008 11:34 AM Vehicle: 89 cel-gt turbo 2nd Vehicle: 04 pilot	Re: 3sgte FWD?? I just did one in a 89. Dont make the same mistake as me, buy a whole front clip.The fly wheel is different as well the 3sgte is 8 bolt and the 3sfe is a 6. I redrilled mine on a press. I think that the one out of a 92 ls400 will work i came across that after the fact. You need more than just the harness and ecu. You need the afm the whole sensor pack, boost pressure sensor ignitor, coil, and so on. I had my motor for a year before i could find all the sensors on ebay. It cost me about 2500 with motor. But dont be a chump like me buy a clip put nose to nose with yours and start swapping. Or you could just stare @ it for 2 years in your garage like me. It runs awesome now except for i bad ecu that im searching for right now.

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